When I came to the Village Vanguard, I couldn't believe it. I'd been working all these swell rooms all over the place, all over the country and in Europe, too, and the Village Vanguard. I couldn't -- it was in the basement. It's a wonderful place. You know what makes it famous? The people who worked there. It's not the place in itself. Wherever we worked becomes famous. The Blue Note, any of these joints. If we didn't work there, they wouldn't be any -- it wouldn't be a room. We make the rooms. I think a lot of times, the musicians forget it. We're the ones. You can present us anywhere and the people will come. Sometimes they're rude to the people, like the Iridian, and gouge them for money. No. To me, it's as romantic as a prostitute is. A prostitute is not a romantic character. She's a victim.