I would be sometimes the only black person in the room. They didn't want black people to come and visit, like in Miami. A black man would frighten them. You'd see somebody sweeping the floors sometimes. I was surrounded by whites and they were the band leaders and they were the band, the piano player, but they didn't think of themselves as great musicians. It was just a job, you know, and sometimes it was really difficult and sometimes it wasn't too bad, but usually it was a drag, and I started traveling with just a piano player. I worked with Wynton Kelly for awhile after he left Dinah Washington. Dinah Washington cried about it, too. She really loved Wynton Kelly. She really complained when he left. Anyway, I worked with Wynton Kelly in Brooklyn and a few places. Big, Big Nicholas, big Nick Nicholas.