The Pollock band? Ben Pollock? Well that's what happened. The Ben Pollock guys all left him because they weren't getting any work. He was trying to get his wife, who was the girl singer, he was trying to get her into pictures. And so the band had these long layoffs and they got sick and tired of waiting around to work. So they finally discussed it with the girl singer, Doris Robins, and they left California and went to New York and stuck together and rehearsed and did some recording dates and looked around for a leader, a new leader. So they wanted Jack Teagarden, but they couldn't get him because he was signed up with Paul Whiteman at that time. So they came across, somebody suggested Bob Crosby would be a good choice because of his brother Bing being so famous, people would want to see what his kid brother looked like. And so we went on the road in 1935 and we did big business, always did, because of the name. And the band happened to be damn good, you know? So we formed a corporation and I was asked, I was the only non-Pollock guy, I just joined after. I never was with Pollock. But they let me come in too, so I was a member of the corporation. But the problem there was that the guys that weren't in the corporation, it made it kind of sticky because they felt like second class citizens you know? Actually they were making more money than the guys in the corporation, because we had expenses that came out first and so there was never any kind of split, we were just on a salary and that was it. The corporation never meant anything. It was just that we'd have a meeting once in a while and we'd sit around listening to Gil Roden talk. That was about it. Gil Roden was really the guy who was really the brains behind the Pollock band too. He played lead alto and he was the businessman in the crowd. He could have been a lawyer I think, but he used to handle all the song pluggers and the bookers and so he really ran the band, because Bob Crosby knew nothing about that. So without Gil Roden it wouldn't have stuck together very long I'm afraid. But he kept everybody feeling optimistic and he'd make all the promises to everybody when they'd come in the band, and make sure they were happy with how much money they were going to make. So Gil Roden was the brains behind the whole thing.