Well, Milt Hinton has been my role model for a long time. I always wanted to... And then there are a lot of young players doing things on the bass we never dreamed of back in the 30's -- Scott LaFaro was the first one, have you ever heard of time? He died young. Oh, there are all kinds of wonderful bass players too numerous to mention that are doing things on the bass that have taken the bass out of just being part of the rhythm section instead of being a solo instrument. But unfortunately most of the guys are playing solo when they're supposed to be playing in the rhythm section. And they're jumping all over everybody else's lines. In other words instead of playing in a rhythm section and just laying low, you know, you can't be a comedian all you life, you have to let someone else ... you always want to say "listen to me, listen to me," and it's like too many comedians.  So the bass player that's all over the bass all the time, it's funny, you don't listen to him anymore. That's my feeling anyway. The bass player's got to have a little reserve and just play time, lay out once in a while. Don't try to prove, show your technique all the time. I think that's a mistake.