Yes sir you're right. You have got to sit and figure it out. Now some people have a great knack for that. Some people are just what you call naturals. I mean you know they have, well, Errol Garner is a good one, you know, he didn't really have the training but he set down at that piano enough and studied and taught himself enough that he knew what to, what to put where and when, so that's why I say you've got some people that are just naturally musically inclined, and they are able to do certain things like that. Then you got some, I had a cousin, because I was taking piano lessons, he went and took piano lessons for five years, and today he can't play anything. In fact, he could only play what he read, and now he can't do that. So I'm just saying, some people do not have that particular type, that knack that you need, that certain talent that you need to do certain things. And then you have some that really don't, well Benny Green. Benny Green, he would only study when he had to. Great trombone player. He may not play for 4-5 months; pick up his trombone like he just played it an hour ago. You know some people are just like that.  Gene Ammons, he's another one, but Gene studied. But one of the things, I mean he had just a, his sound was really one of the great things about his playing, as well as his articulation and stuff. Nevertheless his sound was really, that's one of the things I was taught, says, one of the things you get first for identification is a sound. Your own sound.  Now if you're going to copy somebody else, if you're going to copy how they play, at least get your own sound. Don't copy their tone also, you know, because if everyone sounds alike then it's just like making photocopies, everything looks and sounds alike. So that was one of the things that I always thought about and always tried to practice so that I wouldn't sound like anyone else. Of course now I always liked Ben Webster, and I always liked those, you know those beautiful sounds, but I would try and do it but I would try to do it with my own sound.