Well, actually I never played on Central Avenue, but I was very aware of it. See like I say I was raised in Chicago. When I got to California, I got to California in the 60's, like in `67. But I had been to California in 1962 and `63 with Lloyd Price's band. But I never got on Central Avenue when it really was Central Avenue, you know, when it really had a lot of like Central Avenue Breakdown by Lionel Hampton, you know? In fact I was in New York before I got to California I went to New York in 1946 when I was in the service. I was in Abadeen Proving Ground Maryland. And my first weekend I went to New York City. And looking, on 52nd Street, looking at this club and that club, and man let me tell you, I almost stopped playing. You heard music, and I mean this is when Bird and Diz and Errol Garner and everybody was on the street, and you heard real music. And I was still honking at that time. I was doing, I was playing Arnett Cobb and that type of saxophone. So and I heard all these changes and things I say, "I'll never be able to play like that. " So I almost quit. But you know there's something, if you love music, you just say well I'm going to have to learn how to do this regardless, because I certainly don't want to be working in no foundry. Yeah, I remember when I got out of the service, I went to work in the Pullman Manufacturing Company. This was where they build the Vistadome, you know like when you take Amtrak, you can look out the observation car, you know, well I worked on the first one of those. And boy after about a month of that, I said, no I think I'm going to stick with this music. Yeah, so that really kind of put me on the straight and narrow.