He didn't know Herlin Riley. Herlin Riley know that, because Herlin Riley come up with his uncles [Thad Jones and Hank Jones], and he know what he was doing. That's the example I'm telling you about how that goes. A banjo picker lift up a band, if you didn't get in a monotonous thing, which I try to eliminate. I try to conform with the harmony, chord structure. There's so much about this New Orleans music that people away from here don't know. They want to put down New Orleans, and they don't know [expletive deleted] about New Orleans.