All them boats got them tops to them. Put that organ and that calliope up there. That [expletive deleted] shakes the boat if you have it down there, and it'll wreck the boat. You got to put that on top. If you put it between the crack and the pipes and all that, the vibration . . . You understand? If it's got a wood hull. So that is . . . I'm looking around, and that's where it is. I seen Joe Darensbourg do that. Narvin Kimball could do that, throw the stroke in there, and it'd lift the whole band, lighten it, because people weren't mad at the banjo. But today, you go on a job, they see a banjo, everybody try to get as far as they can from here. I watch them, how they do that. Maybe give you a false-ass smile, but they don't like it. Everybody wants to be modern. But a real jazz band had a banjo. A good banjo player and a good bass player and a good drummer, you can't beat that sound. That's why our music was so great.