Wiggins. A great piano player. Played with him. And I played with Lee Collins and them. That's where I graduate to big time. I joined Lee Collins and David Jones's band. I taken Emmanuel Sayles's place. They had scanned banjo players around there. That's why they called me to the rehearsal they had. Lee Collins look at me. I had on these $20 [? (inaudible)] shoes [? (inaudible)]. Later on he said, "You know why I hired you? " He said, "You wasn't playing much banjo. I hired you because you had on them pretty shoes. I used to like to look at them shoes, and I knew you'd amount to something some day. " That's why he hired me in the band. I went in the band and that's where I heard some [expletive deleted]. Me, Roy Eldridge . . . now who the hell was on bass?