That's right, because they was . . . You see, people began to dance to a subtle sort of thing, not a blasting thing, but a bouncing. A heartbeat in the music. That's what King Oliver had in his music with Baby Dodds and Bill Johnson. They had that old New Orleans funky sound. So that's what you got. Later on, that's what musicians all over the country tried to imitate, tried to get that sound. Count Basie had it, because he's not a explosive piano player. He plays subtle piano, and he . . . honky tonk and a barrelhouse attitude, so you got that in the music. You can't get that unless you have a barrelhouse attitude. You can't play it.