On cruise ships. By that, he had worked, had all kinds of musicians he played with at different times. People would quit or they'd leave or you'd fire them, and you'd get the best you could on a ship. Did that for years. When I walked up, he was there waiting for me. I had to walk that whole hall at the Roosevelt, coming to the stand, and I got my banjo. Everybody looked at me like, scanning me, and I walked up and said, Hello. " He said, "Hello. How are you? Welcome to the band. Come on in. Take your chances. Maybe we can try this. " I fell in. Well, [expletive deleted], there wasn't nothing hard for me there, and I played with him there. They had a Brazilian piano player. They had a Cuban drummer, the greatest of drummers. Can't think of his name. Joe something. He gave my wife a ukulele. Got the ukulele up here. One of the finest ukuleles you can buy, a Martin. Him, and they had a hell of a trombone player and saxophone player and clarinet player. I played there 'til it closed.