Look just like James Rivers. They could be twins. So you're there and you're seeing all that. There's Broadway. You go down to Broadway. My uncle Paul Barbarin is a songwriter, and I go down to Broadway with him. I done made a dozen trips playing them dancing schools, making auditions. They had a whole lot of auditions, these people making auditions. You see guys trying to get a band together. [?Bass Gillins]. They play them dancing schools. Their whole career they're in New York, but they never get with a big famous band. They play all them other little  joints. Little funky nightclubs, and they . . . and jazz joints. You see them people. They're working all the time. You get introduced to them maybe ten times before they realize, Oh, I met you before. Yeah. " You've been introduced to them. What was your question?