I'm around there, and I'm starting from the bottom. It's 1930, with Harry White's band. I'm with Dave Nelson's band. I'm with Danny Logan's band. I'm with Luis Russell's band. Played with Louis . . . played a short tour with Louis Armstrong, through Virginia. Bill Johnson got drunk, and Luis Russell wanted to hire somebody else. Paul told him, "If you hire somebody else, I quit. Hire my nephew. " So he hired me. Bill Johnson got well again and then Bill Johnson got drunk again. They had to tolerate Bill Johnson. Bill Johnson's a good guitar player, but he had never played with real New Orleans swing, which was Pops Foster and Paul Barbarin. You got to perk up when you play with them people, because they're swinging.