That taken place around '38, just before I joined Cab Calloway. Just when I . . . just before I joined Cab Calloway, my wife got a contract, one of them jive contracts with Decca. Decca Records. You never met Decca. You met [J. ] Mayo Williams, who was a black cat who was in charge of all the race artists. They call them race records. Decca. You went through him. You never met the big . . . the president of the company. Didn't pay you no  respect. You had to deal with Mayo Williams, who was a bandit. They gave him your money. He take his top off, and he give you what he thought was right. I'd met Perry Bradford. You heard of Perry Bradford?