Well, unfortunately, due to the climate of our society, you know that we had, the Blacks and the Whites were segregated. And it made it very difficult, especially when we were traveling in the south. Because frequently we would run into Glenn Miller's band or Tommy Dorsey's band, or some of the well known White bands. They were staying in nice hotels. And unfortunately the Black musician would have to stay on the other side of the tracks, usually in someone's home, or in a hotel that was not very good. And as I say unfortunately, frequently the owners of the hotels, they would take advantage I mean of the Black musicians. They knew that we could not stay in places, and we'd run into places with rats and with the roaches and with the bed bugs and whatnot. So under those circumstances it was not good. Frequently we would go in towns and I would have to go out in the Black community and try to help find rooms for the musicians in Calloway's band, and sometimes it was very, very, the places where we had to eat were just intolerable. And as I say, we made it.