Oh, that happened long before, that, with Concord, that happened, God in the 60's I think, when there seemed to be a great influx of Rock music and not too much jazz was being recorded, or maybe people like Monk and Miles were being recorded, but nothing much was happening for me. And then Sam Coslow, who wrote a whole bunch of tunes starting with "Cocktails for Two" and it's funny, people think of Spike Jones, but it really is a pretty tune, he's written a lot of well known tunes and that's the only one I can come up with right now. Anyway he said "if you'll make a recording of my tunes I'll pay for the date and everything." So he did. And I had Ron Carter and Grady Tate on the record. But Sam, I think he wanted it to be more commercial than it was, and he had some girl singers on some tracks going "doo-wa, doo-wa," you know, and, oh, he was paying for the date and I couldn't do much about that. Anyway, that experience I remember saying oh the hell with it, I'm going to make my own damn record. And I did. That's when I started with Halcyon. It was like the last of the cottage industries. But so many musicians, they have the same thing, like a mail order record company. And I actually have about eighteen really nice records on Halcyon, some of which have been put out by Concord or their parent company Jazz Alliance. I did an Alec Wilder recording of all Alec's tune, and that came out.